In a wide-ranging interview with POLITICO’s White House bureau chief Dasha Burns on Tuesday, the former Trump strategist and War Room podcast host taunted Elon Musk, predicted a much tighter ship at the White House and spoke about what his upcoming fraud trial might mean for his impact in Trump world. Here are our top takeaways.

Bannon is ramping up public attacks on billionaire Elon Musk amid an intensifying debate on the right about Musk’s influence in the incoming administration. In an interview with the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera this past week,

Bannon leveled numerous insults against Trump’s wealthy ally, labelling him “evil” and urging him to return to his native South Africa.